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  • 975278

    23 June 2017 - John Turner

    This was one of two concept coaches built by Cravens, being their contribution to the "1957 Prototypes", where British Rail invited coach builders to offer improvements on the basic Mk1 coaches. 3082's mate was Second Open (SO) 4638, which was withdrawn in 1971, still painted maroon, and soon after scrapped. However, 3082 survived, and was sent to Derby RTC, for various experiments, one side was even painted in APT livery as a test, presumably on account of the modern-looking windows.

    The Western Region ended up acquiring many of the 1957 Prototypes, and images show this vehicle and W3083 at Newton Abbot around 1970, no doubt on holiday trains. According to Parkin, the Cravens pair were initially used between Euston and Liverpool. Transfer to BR(WR) was probably in the late 1960s.

    Even though this is a Mk1 vehicle, it's side profile is non-standard, as are the external doors, so spare parts could be a problem, and probably lead to early withdrawal.

    W3082 was eventually converted to DB975278 (Lab coach 15) during 1973 at BREL Derby Litchurch Lane, and was used as the APT Catering Vehicle mock-up, sometimes at Marylebone where a catering training school was based in the 1970s

    The coach was finally withdrawn during 1986 and cut at Vic Berry's, Leicester in May 1987.

  • 786968

    22 June 2017 - Kev Adlam

    Currently at A V Dawson, Middlesbrough for Branch Line Society Event on Sunday 25 June 2017

  • 061098

    22 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    I recorded this clearly as B340418, lot 3916 Shildon 1977

  • 061158

    22 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    This wagon was B283178, I recorded the plate as lot 3427 Shildon 1962

  • 041493

    18 June 2017 - Dennis Graham

    Not at Sunniside 17/6/17

  • 041305

    17 June 2017 - Andy Prime

    DE320837 was converted along with DE320838 to form a two car unit used for testing overhead line equipment. It was converted by BR Eastern Region at Doncaster Carriage Works in conjunction with British Insulated Callender's Cables Limited, principal contractors for the high-voltage AC equipment. The purpose of the test unit was to ensure that the initial high standard of current collection was maintained in service. DE320837 was an instrumented coach fitted with two pantographs and a central observation dome. The instrumentation fit was carried out in a siding adjacent to the B.I.C.C. Research Laboratories at Wood Land, London. DE320838 was a generator coach to provide power for the instruments, lighting and heating, it also had a compressor to supply air to the pantographs, a workshop, darkroom, toilet and guards compartment. The unit was capable of travelling up to 100mph. Full article, diagram and photos in The Railway Magazine Feb 1962.

  • 70121

    16 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    Nice photo in breakdown stock red c1970 at

  • 70133

    16 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    Nice photo of this in what appears to be newly applied 'breakdown stock red' c 1970

  • 70125

    16 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    Nice photo of this in what appears to be newly applied 'breakdown stock red' c 1970 at

  • 320041

    15 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    Nice photo of it c1970 [I hope that works].

  • 977087

    13 June 2017 - Peter David Bester

    A photo (not mine) of the interior taken 2013:

  • 060637

    12 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    I recorded this, with a photograph, as W65665. A GWR built all plywood 12t van

  • 060902

    12 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    Reported as originally GWR 3914 a 1915 built 3rd class toplight, converted in 1956 as 9899 as a camping coach.

  • 090319

    12 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    This is a shock open merchandise wagon (not van)

  • 097008

    12 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    This was a GANE A

  • 201079

    11 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    VDA not VBA

  • 083663

    10 June 2017 - Dennis Graham

    I was told that this has left Chasewater. Possibly to Isle of wight as underframe.

  • 079028

    9 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    I recorded this as E272902

  • 076049

    9 June 2017 - Paul Walter Bartlett

    The number 076049 was also clearly carried by an LNER style steel bodied open merchandise wagon E295975 which was photographed in Newport Docks on 82-04-10.

  • 734060

    4 June 2017 - Ben Williams

    This is now added to the website along with 734363 which are now pretty much 100% confirmed as the two match wagons either side of shunter 08573 at Ilford. It is thought 530133 previously listed here has been scrapped or moved elsewhere but if anyone has any sightings or info please add them.

  • 783230

    31 May 2017 - Greg Hartle

    Having no joy whatsoever with regards to attaining some information on here about this vehicle.I created a post within the discussion forum too....surely someone knows something?

    Alex Betteney can you please help? You did sight it last back in '98....

  • 041406

    30 May 2017 - Ben Williams

    Confirmed not 041406 but very similar in design I think.

    If anyone is interested in it let me know and I can put you in touch with the right person.

  • 042129

    29 May 2017 - Greg Hartle

    This vehicle currently houses the engine for 47524, and is located in the workshop building

  • 061174

    29 May 2017 - Greg Hartle

    Wearing a scruffy maroon livery, carries its original number 86197 and is currently located in the sidings just beyond the shed

  • 977632

    29 May 2017 - Greg Hartle

    In use on services between Cheddleton & Froghall, repainted in maroon livery and running as S 4392