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DZ5 975025 - Inspection Saloon - "CAROLINE"

Numbering

Current number:
975025
Any other previous number(s):
BR DEMU 60755

Photos

Details

Livery:
GREEN

Comments

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  • 975025

    3 March 2003 - Ben

    This vehicle was used in the Royal Honeymoon train for Princess Diana and Prince Charles on 29 July 1981.

  • 975025

    17 May 2003 - Vince

    Of interest is that this vehicle, along with a class 73 loco, worked the first ever passenger train into the Channel Tunnel in Autumn 1992. Alas, it was only a few hundred yards, but all the same, still notable.

  • 975025

    15 March 2005 - Andrew Rawlins

    Seen this evening along with 33103 at Aberystwyth - apparently the first visit of a 33 to Aberystwyth. It was being used in push-pull mode with the 33 to save a run round at Aberystwyth

  • 975025

    17 March 2005 - David Rodger

    Seen at Ludgershall on 6 Mar 05. It was back there today (17 Mar) together with 33103.

  • 975025

    26 September 2006 - D1

    noted sporting grafitti on r-h side on 26-09-06

  • 975025

    9 July 2008 - Ben Williams

    This end appears to have been modified quite a lot since this photo was taken - the pipework and indicator panel have gone and it has new lights...

    http://www.leytr.co.uk/inspectiontrain2008.htm

  • 975025

    9 July 2008 - SD0853

    It's also lost it's Southern Region control system in favor of a Blue star system that will allow more flexible operation with different classes of loco

  • 975025

    10 July 2008 - Robert Chilton

    The modifications have only been done in the last couple of months. Does anyone know where the work was done and what became of the indicator panels?

  • 975025

    10 July 2008 - Bill McTavish

    Derby at a guess!

  • 975025

    10 July 2008 - Dave Shell (NREL, AVRP, OTPPG)

    But isn't this now owned by DRS or WCRC? or am I getting mixed up as per usual?

  • 975025

    10 July 2008 - SD0853

    This is owned by Network Rail, the modifications were carried out by Rail Vehicle Engineering Limited.

  • 975025

    18 October 2008 - Ben Williams

    As previously discussed on the Yahoogroup, the front end of this vehicle has been remodelled at some point in the last year with the lights replaced, pipework and indicator box removed.

  • 975025

    14 November 2008 - kev

    looks alot tidier and at can now at least work with near enough anything, although they look better in br corporate blue grey

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - Harold A Nicolson

    The pipework removed above buffers, any change driving positions were fitted to either end of this vehicle ?

    http://www.33103.com/975025.html

    Further information would be appreciated.

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - Ben Williams

    This photo was taken in 2006! So I suspect not...

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - sam burke

    Sorry, I don't know what harold nicolson is asking?

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - Harold A Nicolson

    33103 has pipework above buffers, which used to be connected 975025, so the driver can control locomotive on propelled from driving positions at front end of the saloon before.

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - Harold A Nicolson

    I realised that Locomotives, Coaches and EMU have cable and pipework upper headstock which was used for the Southern Region before.

  • 975025

    8 February 2009 - SD0853

    Harold. Originally this coach had the same multi working arrangement as a 400 series EMU, and could work in multipul with either a 33/1 or 73/1 in the same manner as a 4TC unit (etc) would work.

    When the recent modifications were carried out, the control equipment was converted to "Blue Star" and internally the power controller was replaced with something akin to what can be found in a Class 31. So now in theory any "Blue Star" ETH fitted loco can work and be driven remotely from this coach.

  • 975025

    31 August 2009 - Harold Nicolson

    It was originally built at Eastleigh in 1958 to Hastings gauge as DEMU buffet vehicle no. S 60755 which was converted to Inspection Saloon 'CAROLINE'. Vehicle type AZA no. DB 975025 was designated in 1969.

  • 975025

    31 August 2009 - Jon Horswell

    Anyone know who CAROLINE is?

  • 975025

    31 August 2009 - SD0853

    You mean you don't know who Caroline is? lol. Everyone knows that!

  • 975025

    31 August 2009 - Jon Horswell

    No. I know Caroline is 975025 but who is the vehicle named after. And Amanda for that matter.

  • 975025

    15 May 2011 - Paul King

    I happened to spot a mention of a soon-to-be released kit for this vehicle,

    and went along to the EM Gauge Society Show at Bracknell on May 14 2011

    Saw the prototype and it looks good: just waiting for the armchairs < G >

    My interest is that I was designer and part-constructor of the desks at both ends, using office furniture extrusions and panelling. ( I've some bits of the extrusions some 40 years later, and passed a few to the kit designer.) The requirement was to get the controls as low as possible to give the best forward view for the Officers, Engineers, etc.. It has had several changes of livery, acquired a name (*) and quite a few sundry additions and alterations.

    I see the waist-level hoses and control jumper(s) have been replaced by prominent marker lights. With the demise of slam door stock on BR tracks, the resulting inability to multiple matters a lot less than

    hitherto.

    I may still have a copy of the original wiring schematic, although it will, from other reports above, be well out of date.

    (* Other sites suggest one should know who 'Caroline' was, but don't actually say! Dare one ask?

  • 14 September 2014 - Greg Hartle

    Sun 13/9/14

    Taking part in the 175 celebrations at Etches Park Open Day..

  • 25 May 2017 - Matthew Rose

    25.05.17

    975025 (Caroline) is currently running with Direct Rail Services, 37409 (Lord Hinton)

    24.05.17

    Derby - York

    25.05.17

    York - York

    York - Derby

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