Current number:
041476
Any other previous number(s):
B193685
Notes:
Scrapped - Roe Bros, Sheffield 9/86

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Temple Mills** *** ****Robert Bayliff
Stratford TMD** *** ****Roger Harris
Stratford TMD** *** ****Roger Harris
Stratford TMD** *** ****Roger Harris
Stratford TMD** *** ****Andy Prime
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  • 041476

    4 March 2008 - Martin Allen

    I photographed this wagon at Stratford Depot on 14-7-79, when it was tucked away in an otherwise empty shed. There was an Open Day in progress on that day, but the wagon was not on public display. It was not an Internal User at that date, my notes record the details as P 193685, built Metro Cammell 1945, lot No. 2286, dia. No. 1/122. It was scrapped by Roe Metals as B 193685 on 9-86. A great pity it was not preserved, there are only two examples of these ex-SNCF wagons still in existance, as far as I know.

  • 041476

    4 March 2008 - Bill McTavish

    ex SNCF! You learn something every day - thanks Martin.

  • 041476

    4 March 2008 - IAIN CHALMERS

    Agree Diagram 1/112 and a number built by metro-cammel 1946 for use in France post WW2 When repatriated joined BR stock. One example is preserved in NRM Shildon. The interesting bit is the lashing eyes as they could be sheeted as well as used for mineral traffic. I vaquely remember they had a slight problem with the doors as they could swing open unexpectedly. Parkside Dundas make a very nice model in both 4mm and 7mm scale

  • 23 September 2017 - David Crawley

    A photograph, taken by Roger Silsbury, of this vehicle appears in the April 1986 issue of Motive Power Monthly. The photo caption reads "..... 041476, previous identity not confirmed, one of the 16-ton cupboard door minerals built by Metropolitan-Cammell to the order of the Ministry of Supply for use by the SNCF in France. When they were replaced by larger vehicles in 1950, most returned to Britain and were refurbished for use by BR. The branding, 'Not to be used for PW ballast or other engineers materials' was applied to the whole class following a serious accident when the cupboard door fouled the loading gauge. BR diagram was 1/112. This wagon had been in internal use at Stratford, and was waiting to go to Tinsley for scrap when seen on 11 January (1986) at Temple Mills."

  • 4 June 2021 - Robert Bayliff

    Having been able to arrange a visit to Stratford to see B 193685 during 1978, I was pleased to see it again but saddened to see it in a train, bearing a cripple code label at Temple Mills verly early in the morning of Friday 21 March 1986, having worked the 1945 Dover Town to Temple Mills from Hoo Junction and waiting for the 1605 Tyne to Hoo Junction It carried a wagon label with the cripple code CJ, dated 6/8/85. The train it was in was for Tynsley. The cripple code explained:

    C: condemned

    J: condemned - en route

    condemned wagon on 'One Journey Only', agreed for disposal either (a) for breaking up

    or

    (b) for internal use

    The NRM recently have divested themselves of their BR diagram 1/112 ex SNCF 16T Open Wagon to the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway Heritage Trust.

    Strange, as it was born of a wartime transport crisis, designed to modifications limited by time of delivery, and shipped to France for assembly there, the wagon tombereau à 16 tonnes à portes battantes was little more than a French-style body on a British underframe. The wagon ran in France for the short period between 1946 and 1950 when they were purchased by British Railways and thereby returned to their country of origin. In France, they were a compromise between supply and standards. In Britain, the wagons were a compromise between the open wagon and the mineral wagon.

    It illustrates post-war austerity and compromise between conditions of supply and operating requirements. It is a product of the British railway industry during war-time conditions. It has a place in French railway history as an example of the sort of rolling stock designed and supplied from abroad to minimal standards and assembled in France which helped in the immediate post-war operation of the SNCF during a period of transport crisis.