Current number:
321047
Any other previous number(s):
E3
Notes:
Moved to Great Central Railway 8/10
Livery:
LIGHT GREY
Preservation location:
Great Central Railway
Category:
Preserved vehicles
DE series

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  • 321047

    29 October 2002 - Mick Winter

    Having seen this coach at Barking sitting under the bridge for many years on its own bit ot track how was it removed and why taken to Temple Mills.Is it still being used?

  • 321047

    7 November 2002 - Ben

    I presume it is not still being used although I don't think we can be 100% sure... it was reported "missing" from this spot recently so it may have now been scrapped here...?? However as someone else pointed out to me it is quite a rare coach (former number E3) and so I suppose it could have been removed by road for preservation? If this is the case I think it would certainly have been easier to remove it from here rather than from where it was parked at Barking! Another theory is that it was moved here to have useful components removed before scrapping / preservation?

  • 321047

    30 November 2002 - Ben

    Well it seems it has in fact just moved to the other side of the shed!

  • 321047

    17 March 2003 - brian loughlin

    I WOULD SUGGEST MOVE WAS BY RAIL EX BARKING AS VEHICLE PUT BACK ON TOPS REG. FOR MOVE BETWEEN 10/01/02 & 24/01/02 POOL 9126 OWNED BY EWS. PREVIOUSLY NOT ON SYSTEM!

  • 321047

    2 June 2003 - Brian Cuttell

    It was originally a very early Mk1 catering coach (RFO) built at York in 1951. Now over 50 years old!

  • 321047

    17 December 2003 - Terry Fletcher

    EWS had sold this into preservation - but the sale fell through and

    therefore the vehicle is back on the market for disposal. Enquiries to

    peter.scarborough@ews-railway.co.uk

  • 321047

    7 April 2004 - James Fairchild

    This vehicle is now at J T Landscapes, Caerwent, Wales, believed owned by Raxstar (or else JT theirselves) the vehicle is potentially available for sale to preservation.

    I do not have the resources to take it on (I already have M24006) but anyone who seriously wants to own a piece of history please email me at james@45015.com and I will give you more info.

    This is your chance to save a unique piece of railway history, but you ain't got long! This would be a relatively cheap and straightforward conversion to a saloon of some kind with loose seats of some form, the strengthened area where the generators are/were could quite easily be used as a dancefloor!

    Good luck, James

  • 321047

    23 June 2006 - Ben Williams

    The much-travelled coach still appears much the same as it did when at Barking but it spent time at Temple Mills and MOD Caerwent before ending up here...

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Jon Horswell

    Does anyone no what the roller shutter door gives access to. I assume at one point it had a gangway connection.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Chris Thorn

    Maintenance access to engine and generator. Engine could also have been installed through here as not mounted beneath the roof hatch.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Dave Carson

    I've grown up with this beast!

    Previous to being at Barking, it was at Chadwell Heath, at Southend Victoria and sometime during my secondary schooldays (1965-71) at was in a siding opposite my school at Southend East. I've never known it to be anything else other than a generator coach! I hope (if only for sentimental reasons alone) that it is saved.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Jon Horswell

    Have you spotted the Stratford Cockney Sparrow on the side. I think it has been secured for preservation but it would be nice to see it cleaned up a bit.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Dave Carson

    I remember this vehicle when it was in red and before that in olive green, it only 'ad the sparra' in that grey (-ish) livery. After all, it was a Stratford managed vehicle.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Ben Williams

    Perhaps a stupid question but why was a generator coach required at these locations?

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - Dave Carson

    As I am led to believe, this beast was generally used for auxiliary power supplies for signalling during re-signalling work as it was once classed as an S&T vehicle. At Barking, it was supposed to provide back-up for signal power whilst Barking Signal Box closed and signalling transferred to Upminster IECC. At Chadwell Heath, the 25kv control room was being upgraded and this vehicle provided auxiliary power during the upgrading work. I think (or rather assume) that its Southend stints were during local signal box upgrades.

  • 321047

    22 March 2007 - John Randall

    The generator coach used to cover the S&T substations as mentioned above that had rotary coverters in them to Generate 83 1/3 cycles this was though to be a frequencey it was difficult to get a harmonic interferance from induction from other sources such as the O.H.L the substations had Maclaren diesels kept sump heated ready to go to full power if the electricity board supplied power failed . If I remember correctly this coach is a complete substaion with the converters and a big V6 paxman engine opening the end roller shutter doors reveals the big cables that allow it to replace the substation that is undergoing repair. since modern signaling no longer suffers from harmonic interferance the coach is vertualy redundant!

  • 321047

    23 March 2007 - Dave Carson

    Perhaps this vehicle should be preserved as a generator coach, after all, it has spent most of it's life in this form and with a Paxman V6 engine + generator hopefully still inside, would be ideal for any preserved railway as it could adapted to provide power for welding, additional lighting for filming and special events, auxiliary start-up for un-cooperative diesels - its potential is endless!

  • 321047

    23 March 2007 - Jon Horswell

    I never believed that there could be so much interest in one coach! Long may this vehicle survive.

  • 321047

    23 March 2007 - Chris Thorn

    The Paxman engine indeed survives as do the 3 generators. Unfortunately there is frost damage to the block and heads so stitch welding or replacement required. The heavy duty copper fly leads that linked the generators have also gone walkies due to their scrap value. The final insult is that the manufacturers spec plates have disapeered along with the full unique maintenance literature since the vehicle left Barking. Removal by a collector has rendered this potentially usefull bit of kit as useless! Its main importance however lies in its origins as E3 the last surviving RFO.

  • 321047

    20 August 2010 - Ben Williams

    Moved to Great Central this week apparently along with 4 other mk1s from the airfield site.

  • 321047

    18 October 2010 - Mike Lang

    This generator coach is now at the Great Central Railway. The plan is to restore it to its original form, which is an RFO No 3, as funds permit.

  • 321047

    18 October 2010 - Jon Horswell

    This was an ODM Generator Coach. What did ODM stand for?

  • 321047

    19 October 2010 - John Randall

    Out Door Machinery

    (who had a signal power supply department)