025023

Photo of 025023 at Pinnox branch, Longport

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Photo details

  • Pinnox branch, Longport
  • 6 April 2009
  • © Ben Williams

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  • SD0853

    17 April 2009, 18:01:53

    These wagons were used to carry test weights for "Pooley". The wagons were in effect calibrated loaded wagons, and were used for testing Weigh Bridges.

  • Jon Horswell

    18 April 2009, 00:13:30

    Clearly been here some time. That's a good ten years of tree growth.

  • SD0853

    18 April 2009, 09:43:11

    Probably over 15 years, as they'd been there for ages when I started on the railway 10 years ago. In the summer you couldn't even see them for foliage. I guess they've been uncovered in Network Rail's bid to cut back everything everywhere (about time, but welcome)

  • Brian H Williams

    20 April 2009, 22:30:32

    Pretty certain they were there when I worked at Longport in 1980. They were originally 13t Medfits, I believe.

  • Chris Willis

    22 April 2009, 11:52:57

    Does anyone know if it is restorable?.

    Regards

    Chris

  • SD0853

    22 April 2009, 16:50:15

    New axle box oil pads, a shotblast and repaint, plus new decking (good offers on at the local B&Q at the moment), a vac cylinder and two vac bags. I'm sure it's restoreable, just depends if anyone wants it or not (or if anyone can find out who owns it???)

  • Ben Williams

    22 April 2009, 17:48:56

    ...or if you could get them out of the trees without them falling apart! These two internal users (025023 & 025024) are behind two other similar wagons nearer to the mainline. If all four could be dragged out (after a lot of vegetation clearance) then road access shouldn't be too much of a problem from the freight yard. You would have to pass near the mainline though so probably a track possession needed!

  • Dave Shell - Northumbria Rail Ltd.

    22 April 2009, 20:40:01

    And Ben knows what he's talking about re: recovery of vehicles from sidings as do I! The overall answer to the question is - depends how much cash you've got...

  • Jon Horswell

    22 April 2009, 23:28:12

    What type of vehicle are they? If there are others of their type preserved then the simple answer is probably not to bother.

  • Brian H Williams

    23 April 2009, 09:04:30

    Here's a link to a photo of one of the wagons taken some 15 years ago- there seem to be at least two other similar vehicles in shot:-

    http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p2088771.html

    These vehicles went out of revenue use fairly early on- probably by the mid-1960s- and were used subsequently for duties such as carrying spoil, so it's possible that none have been preserved.

  • IAIN CHALMERS

    23 April 2009, 19:48:02

    Sorry to disappoint on the preservation side. 5 listed at three railways. Vintage Carriages Trust website search suggests DB 461225, DB 460239, B 458525, B 460765, B 460530

  • SD0853

    24 April 2009, 12:42:16

    2 of which are at the near by "Churnet Valley Railway".

  • Phil Hetherington

    24 April 2009, 14:07:24

    As far as I know someone (not me) in the preservation movement has their name down for these already...

  • Steve Best

    30 April 2009, 04:24:17

    I know of the following in preservation. All BR 13t MEDFIT.

    Not what I would call rare but a usuful wagon for a preservation site.

    Number Owner/Operator

    457627 Dean Forest Railway

    457878 Keighley & Worth Valley Railway

    458525 Bluebell Railway

    458977 Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway

    459707 Colne Valley Railway

    460098 Peak Rail

    460168 Kent & East Sussex Railway

    460208 Mangapps Farm

    460239 East Somerset Railway

    460419 Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway

    460530 East Lancashire Railway

    460575 Kent & East Sussex Railway

    460675 East Lancashire Railway

    460765 Cholsey & Wallingford Railway

    461051 Churnet Valley Railway

    461074 Great Central Railway

    461224 Bluebell Railway

    461225 East Somerset Railway

    461230 Churnet Valley Railway

    461516 East Lancashire Railway

  • Phil Hetherington

    30 April 2009, 11:39:56

    Steve, 458484 is also on the GCR, rusty but servicable.

  • Steve Best

    30 April 2009, 15:38:28

    Cheers Phil

    Is this a recent purchase? I can't find the online Stocklist for the GCR & I have no current info for this one.

    So that leaves the two ex i/u at longport plus the other two there which I assume were probably used for the same purpose as the i/u's ? The only other one I can think of on the main network is 460270 which was at Holyhead. Who owns this?

    Does this pretty much tie this type up still in existence?

    The only other ex i/u on my list were 460575/083606, 460675/024514 & 461074/024904

  • Phil Hetherington

    1 May 2009, 13:22:20

    Steve,

    No, not that recent - it's been on the GCR a few years, but I don't have an arrival date. It's usually in the p.way train, often at Quorn at weekends, but hard to ID. It has J-type spring hangers and clasp brakes, whereas 461074 has plain spring hangers and push brakes.

    The great advantage of these & the LMS 'Mediums' before them is that the drop-sides are sprung so they can be safely lowered and raised by one person. This explains their popularity for engineering work.

    Phil


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